Episode 3
Love's Seasons
Episode 3: Love, Dating, and Self-Discovery
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Christine and Alexandra are back, ready to delve into the realm of love and dating—perfect timing with Valentine’s Day approaching. Grab your favorite drink and join us for a reflective chat on love and life.
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Choosing a Life Partner
Our Love Life Tales: Sharing stories from our own experiences in the world of love.
The Wisdom of Choice: Reflecting on Henry Cavil’s poignant words about choosing a life partner and its impact on our happiness.
Reimagining Dating Priorities: How does this insight influence our perspectives on choosing a life partner?
Loving Yourself Whether Single or Taken
Date Yourself: Exploring the importance of self-dating!
Embracing Individuality: Understanding oneself, finding contentment in solitude, and nurturing friendships.
Maintaining Independence in Relationships: Avoiding dependency and sustaining individuality within partnerships.
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Lessons in Dating
Dating Insights: Alexandra shares wisdom from Benjamin Daly’s Instagram reel, highlighting key lessons on dating.
Rethinking Dating Perspectives: How do these insights reshape our approach to dating?
Closing Thoughts
Reflecting on today's discussion, we hope it prompts introspection on your relationships, both with yourself and others. Share your stories or insights on social media or via email. Christine’s favorite takeaway: “You don’t actually miss them, you miss what you wanted them to be.” Alexandra resonates with: “If you are not clear on the type of person you want to attract, you’ll waste a lot of time dating unsuitable people.”
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Transcript
Hello and welcome to The Mirror Project.
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:We are your host, Christine,
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:Alexandra: And Alexandra,
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:Christine: and we are so
glad you are joining us.
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:Today we are going to be
talking about love and dating.
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:It feels pretty on theme with
Valentine's Day around the corner.
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:Whether you are in a relationship or
single, at the moment like us, grab a
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:cup of tea or a glass of wine and join
us as we journey through love and life.
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:Alexandra: Before we dive in today's
topic, like, subscribe, or follow us
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:on your preferred listening platform.
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:Go ahead, pause, and do
it now before you forget.
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:Don't worry, we won't
get started without you.
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:okay, so we're going to kick this off
by talking about what choosing a life
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:partner means kind of what goes into that.
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:So before we jump into a interview of
our quote of one of my favorite actors
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:why don't we catch people up on what are
the dating lives have been like so far?
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:So Christine, I know in the intro,
we mentioned we're both currently
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:single, but how is your love life
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:Christine: How's my love life going?
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:So far, I've really not put much of
a focus, like, the year just started.
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:So, so far nothing.
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:But I would say up until this point,
you know, I've definitely come to the
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:choice that I want to start exploring
dating and relationships a bit more.
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:But.
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:I took a little break at the end of
the year from doing all that just
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:because I wanted to focus on me.
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:2023 was, as I, I've mentioned in, in
previous episodes an interesting ride.
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:And I did a little bit of
dating but I haven't been on
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:any dating apps since college.
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:Mostly because that kind of gives
me the ick a little bit, but I
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:understand that's the name of the game.
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:But for this coming year, it's
definitely a goal of mine.
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:I want to sort of push myself out
of my comfort zone a little bit
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:and challenge myself to just get
out and start meeting new people.
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:And, I understand that there'll be
days when it's a little defeating
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:and frustrating, but I don't want to
shy away from it because I'm scared.
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:So, that's where I'm at right now.
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:And I'm looking forward
to seeing what happens.
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:But how about you?
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:What's going on with you, Alexandra?
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:Alexandra: So, also still single
I've been for quite a while now.
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:I think yeah, Christine, you definitely
knew my last serious, yeah, my last
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:relationship to, who was probably
somebody I'm sure Christine wanted
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:to slap me upside the head sometimes.
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:I was going, really?
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:Christine: I
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:didn't know him all that well.
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:But what I knew, I didn't like.
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:I will say that.
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:Alexandra: so after I left New
Jersey, which we've talked about,
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:and I moved to North Carolina, I
kind of went into a hermit phase.
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:I felt like I didn't
have a job to begin with.
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:When I first moved down here,
I didn't know who I was.
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:I felt a little lost.
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:So for a long time, dating has been
on the back burner and then starting
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:to put myself back out there,
thinking about it, looking for a job.
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:COVID hit and, you know,
little odd dating in.
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:And I think at some point I was
like, I just don't like people.
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:But a friend of mine who will be a guest
on our show upcoming had encouraged
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:me that when I was ready to put myself
back out, there should be my wing woman.
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:So she did help me make a dating
profile earlier this past fall.
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:And I had gone on a few dates.
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:They were interesting.
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:And then like you for like the holiday
season at pretty much from a little bit
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:before Thanksgiving through Christmas, I
was like, I don't want to deal with it.
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:Don't want to deal with people.
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:As we've talked about, I'm doing my
MBA program, finishing up the term.
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:I was like, I am not dealing with people.
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:So I'm actually started my second term.
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:So we'll see, or not my
second, but my next term.
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:So we'll see how that's going
and see how the dating fits in.
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:Cause we will just let it roll as we go.
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:Haven't quite.
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:Reactivated my dating profile, which
I would agree with you, Christine
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:dating apps kind of give me the ick
is my experiences, which I'm sure
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:I'll talk about a little bit later.
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:In this episode, there was
one that was, Oh, quite funny.
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:but yeah, that's really
where we're at right now.
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:So we're definitely single.
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:And I think sometimes that can make
Valentine's a little hard, right?
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:You're surrounded by these TV shows,
movies, advertising, everything
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:that's like, oh, love, love,
couples, dates, romantic nights,
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:wedding proposals, da da da da.
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:And I'm like, single, still, still single.
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:Christine: Yeah, I will say for me
growing up Valentine's Day, I wouldn't
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:say I felt bad that I was single.
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:I have been single when Valentine's Day
rolls around, because I grew up in a
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:very loving home, I admired my parents
marriage and I look back on, you know,
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:at being a kid, like my dad always would
make sure that he not only treated my
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:mom special on Valentine's Day, but
that he also did something for each of
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:me and my sisters so that kind of like
warmed my heart and put like a nice
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:little thought put nice thoughts about
Towards Valentine's Day in my mind.
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:I also look at it as an opportunity
to, tell the people and relationships,
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:friendships that I have in my life,
how much I love and appreciate them.
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:So, I'm a big fan of Galentine's Day.
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:I always like to do a little something
around this time of year for my
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:girlfriends, because they truly
are the best people in my life.
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:And, Yeah, I, I think, you know,
it's nice to have that, even though,
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:that view on this time of year, even
though I am single, and who knows?
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:We'll see what next year has.
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:Alexandra: Yeah, I would definitely
say that you taught me to appreciate
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:Galentine's Day because I didn't really
have a whole lot of girlfriends in
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:high school who Celebrated that way.
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:So I think it was more in college
that you Introduced me to that.
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:So it's always
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:a nice reminder to tell
people you love them
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:Christine: yeah, exactly.
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:I would say it really didn't become
a big thing for me until college
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:either because You know, growing
up, I went to very small schools.
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:I went to a small Catholic elementary
middle school where I was with the
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:same 40 something kids from when
we were 5, 6 years old till we were
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:ready to go off to high school.
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:And then when I was in high school,
I was in an all girls school.
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:And high school's just
a rough time all around.
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:Emotionally and then being surrounded
by an all girl environment.
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:At that age can be hard but once I hit
college and I found my group of people, I
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:really wanted to embrace Galentine's Day
and make it just as special as Valentine's
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:Day because those were the relationships
I was fostering and caring most about and
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:I'm, I'm, I carry that with me always, so.
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:definitely something to keep in mind
that I will keep in mind as I venture
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:into a romantic journey and relationship.
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:Alexandra: and speaking of a romantic
journey and finding a Either person
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:you want to spend some time with for
a little while or your life's partner.
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:So while back, I think I came across
this or you came across it and we sent
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:it to one another and, to our listeners.
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:You may not know that I have a
huge, huge crush on Henry Cavill.
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:I think he's just a total sweetheart.
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:Very attractive.
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:So nerdy.
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:So cute.
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:Christine: So nerdy.
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:I love how nerdy he is.
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:Alexandra: Also, have you seen, um,
on a social media, his dog like,
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:Oh my God, I just love his dog.
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:Christine: I saw something else
how he runs with like a lion hat.
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:Like he just runs, he goes on his
run wearing this like, adorable
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:crocheted or knit lion mane hat.
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:It's so funny.
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:He's
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:just a, he's such a goof and I love it.
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:Alexandra: Oh,
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:Christine: That's why we like him, men.
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:That's why we like him.
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:Not because he's super hot.
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:I mean, that helps, but
that's why we like him.
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:Alexandra: yeah, it does help,
but he's, he seems so sweet.
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:So this was something I was scrolling.
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:It's one of us was scrolling
on our feet or whatever.
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:And it was from Alpha
Motivation Zero's account.
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:I would not, I don't know anything else
about them other than this one post.
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:So I couldn't recommend them or not,
but the, in the real, it was a video
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:of him being interviewed and was
asked a question about life partner.
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:And so he said, He being Henry Cavill
said, choose your life's mate carefully.
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:From this one decision will come 90
percent of all your happiness or misery.
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:Never deprive somebody of hope.
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:It might be all that they have
never waste an opportunity to
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:tell someone you love them.
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:Remember that 80 percent of
success in any job is based on
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:your ability to deal with people.
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:And lastly, don't expect life to be fair.
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:And when I heard that, I was just
like, Oh, that hit all of the areas.
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:Christine: That hits love,
dating Just life in general and
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:your relationships with people.
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:It's really beautifully said.
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:And I don't know if he wrote it or if he
was quoting someone, but, yeah, I agree.
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:It was so poignant and beautifully said.
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:Alexandra: Because and like we were
talking about earlier with Galentine's
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:Day or you know, even if you're single
This is a really good time of year
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:just to a reminder to tell people
you care about them and love them
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:Christine: Mm Including yourself.
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:Including how much you care and
about, care about and love yourself.
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:Because that's the first relationship
you have and will always have because
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:you always have you for company.
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:So foster that love and
relationship with yourself.
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:Alexandra: yeah, and I think it stresses
it's like if you're on the dating
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:market or you're dating something
because you're looking for a Lifelong
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:partner that person that'll be with
you How important it is of a decision
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:that to make it so it's not something
that you know, I think February and
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:Valentine's and all the romantic feelings.
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:It's like the emotions are put to
the forefront and like, yes, feeling
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:attracted or connected to somebody or
in love with somebody is so important,
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:but also choosing wisely somebody
who supports you, somebody who loves
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:you, somebody who may push you to
be better without being a bully.
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:You know, these are things and
characteristics and qualities that
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:are so important, but I feel like
sometimes within the, Push for
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:like, Oh, be in a couple, be in a
relationship that's not stressed so much.
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:And,
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:you know, I would say with my ex that
Christine did not know very well,
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:but for what she heard, I certainly
felt pressure to where I was in life.
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:I was in college.
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:So many people were in serious
relationships moving towards marriage.
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:I think I was so swept up in the
pressure of like, this is what I need
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:to be doing at this phase in my life.
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:I ignored a lot of.
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:Red flags that were problematic not
because this person was a bad person, but
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:because it wasn't the right person for me
So this definitely brought to forefront.
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:I was like, oh, yeah, like
Don't ignore the red flags.
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:What are they saying to you?
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:What is it reinforcing?
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:That you want or don't want.
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:Christine: exactly.
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:And for me, I've, I've not been in
a long term relationship before.
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:I've just been casually
dating since college.
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:Getting, you know, meeting
people here and there.
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:I definitely have been able to take
the time, because I don't have first
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:hand experience, to really think
about what I want and what I expect.
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:So for me, I'm approaching dating not
in, like, The phase of high school
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:or early college where I have that
experience of a high school boyfriend or
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:early college boyfriend to, to lean on.
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:So, I'm, I'm not looking
to experience that now.
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:I've, I've really been able to figure
out what I want and what I don't want.
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:And work on myself.
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:Eventually, I do want something long
term and I know how important it is
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:that I must love myself first and enter
in a relationship knowing that I'm an
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:individual outside of this relationship,
and I have so much to offer other
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:than just being with this person.
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:yeah.
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:Yeah,
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:Alexandra: just talking about the the
next topic we wanted to cover which was
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:loving yourself Whilst you're single
or in a relationship So Christine, can
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:you tell me more about what it means
for us to love ourself because I know
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:that's something that I struggle with
And as you said, you're the person
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:you spend your whole life with you
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:Christine: mm hmm.
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:Yeah, so I won't say I'm an expert on
the topic, but having been single pretty
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:much, I've, I've been single, I've never
been in a relationship at this point I
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:really have learned the importance of
not only self love, but what it means to
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:date yourself because It teaches you more
about who you are allows you to figure
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:out what you like and you don't like,
and, at the end of the day, the internal
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:dialogue that you have with yourself is
just as important as how you treat others.
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:Because if you don't treat yourself
the way you want to be treated,
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:then that's just inviting other
people to treat you poorly.
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:So, those are the lessons I've learned.
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:And it's taken a while to get to this
point, but I think It's important to, to
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:share about that with others, be open.
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:I don't, I don't feel shame that
I've never been in a relationship.
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:I did at one point because like what you
said Alexandera, that you got swept up in
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:what you thought you needed to be doing,
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:With that last relationship.
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:I definitely can relate to that.
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:And at points in my life Early
college, I guess I would say.
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:I kind of would feel that way at times.
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:But, I don't know, as, as I stand
now, I, I kind of like that I've
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:never had a significant relationship,
other than my friendships and my
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:family relationships, because I
think at the heart of any romantic
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:relationship is a friendship, right.
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:Like, if you, if you aren't truly
friends with the person that you're
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:dating, Then what's really there
because the attraction Is all very
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:it's all surface level like you
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:got to dig deeper if you don't
connect with that person On a soul
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:deep level then I don't see it
as a Something that's gonna last
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:And that's okay.
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:You can have those relationships.
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:I frankly I think they're important to
have But, for something long term, if
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:you find yourself in a relationship where
you're not friends with who you're dating,
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:Alexandra: hmm.
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:Christine: I think it's time
to do a little self reflection.
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:Alexandra: Yeah, and that
brings up a good point, right?
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:Cuz like you want to have commonalities
with the person That you're with and you
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:want to have that basis of friendship
of something to come back to you.
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:Of course, you don't always just, you
know, want to be in the friend zone.
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:you want that chemistry, that attraction.
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:It's, I think it's a blend
of the best of both worlds.
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:And I think there's still something
to, a bit of the opposites attract.
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:And it's finding that sweet spot,
that beautiful blend of all of it.
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:Which is, I think,
sometimes difficult to find.
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:And it's so funny cause we were talking
about dating apps a little earlier.
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:And I remember being in college and
I was like, I think I put, I was like
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:looking for a longterm relationship.
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:And that's what I put on this one.
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:And you know, there's so many
people who are like, we'll see that.
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:And they think I immediately want to
jump into a longterm relationship.
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:And I'm like, No, I mean, yes, if
it's the right person, but no, I
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:do not think our first date will
constitute the rest of our lives.
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:Christine: Also, even if a first
date sucks, give, give it a try.
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:If you feel like there is potential,
give that second date a try.
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:Because first dates, so much pressure
is put on first dates, it really does
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:feel like you're going to an interview.
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:Especially if it's the first time
you're meeting somebody, it might
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:be a different story if, you've been
friends with them for a while and you
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:decide to explore a romantic relationship.
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:But,
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:Alexandra: it's almost like
a cold call, like show up for
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:Christine: Yeah!
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:exactly.
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:So, I think it's, it's truly important,
knowing who you are, and being
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:confident to stand on your own.
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:Like, it's okay if I don't find a person
right now, and being secure in that, and
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:then being content with your own company.
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:I think if you're not able to just
sit and be with yourself I encourage
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:you to explore why that is the case.
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:And, in the long run, I think it's not
only going to benefit you, but any future
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:relationships, friendships, you have.
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:Alexandra: I like that you
brought that up, right?
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:Because I would say I'm more of
an introvert, I think we've talked
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:about this before, that I feel very
comfortable at my own company, at
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:home, at a coffee shop, in a bookstore.
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:Where I don't feel so comfortable are
necessarily taking myself out on a date.
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:And no, I don't mean a coffee date,
because I just said I'm very comfortable
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:being alone at a coffee shop.
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:But I mean like going to the theater,
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:Christine: Mmm.
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:Mm.
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:Alexandra: hour.
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:Like,
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:Christine: Mm hmm.
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:Yeah, sitting by
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:yourself in a restaurant.
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:Mm hmm.
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:Alexandra: Yeah, that's something
I want to try and I think
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:and work on, cause I've gone out
on dinner dates with friends.
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:I'm very close with, we catch up for a
few hours, but that's also very different.
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:You know, it's like, this is a
friendship relationship not really
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:a date with yourself, you know?
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:So it's my friend Traveris
is very good at that.
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:She's like, Oh, I love taking
myself on a date to go to a
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:dinner and just treating myself.
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:And I think, I don't know why, but
I get very wrapped up in my head
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:of what people think of me, which
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:Christine: Mm.
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:Alexandra: as we talked about, I think in
sayings and mantras, that is a catch 22
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:Christine: Yeah.
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:Alexandra: worrying about
what other people think of us.
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:Because it should, as you said, we're
the most important relationship we'll
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:have in our life, like our opinions
of ourselves should matter more than
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:Christine: Mm.
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:Alexandra: might think of a
woman eating dinner alone or
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:Christine: And I agree,
I'm in the same boat.
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:I feel awkward doing that myself.
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:I haven't done it yet, but it's
something I want to work towards.
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:But it's also not normalized
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:in Our envi in our society
or in in our environment.
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:The thought of going out into a restaurant
and sitting by yourself, I think, it's
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:one thing if you're going and sitting
at the bar and having dinner, but,
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:like, actually sitting down at a table
that's set for two usually and having
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:a meal in a room full of people who
are with friends, family partners.
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:It's a little daunting to think
about because it's one thing sitting
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:by yourself in your own space
alone, but being in a room alone.
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:Is something entirely different
and really can make you feel alone.
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:Cause I don't necessarily feel
alone when I'm home by myself.
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:But if I'm in a, if I'm in a public
space alone, yeah, that's hard.
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:Alexandra: I would also say not
distracting yourself with our phones
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:or social media while you're eating,
genuinely being present in that space.
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:cause that's something
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:I look forward, I don't know if I
look forward to, I look for in a date,
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:like, are they, is he on his phone
a lot or is he here present with me?
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:Because even if it's a first date, I,
I almost rarely look at my phone unless
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:I'm saying, Oh my gosh, you know, we
were talking about something almost ago.
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:I have to show you this picture
or somebody's like, Oh, hey,
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:what's the picture of your dog?
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:Otherwise I keep my phone in my purse.
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:You know, it's not in sight.
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:I'm not looking at it.
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:And a little easier to do when you're
having a conversation with somebody
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:theoretically, although I see people
out on, I'm assuming dates, but
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:they're not talking to each other.
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:So, you know, different
strokes for different folks.
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:But I think this is also important to,
to do before you're in a relationship.
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:But I think we have also had conversations
of like, you know, if and when we're
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:in long term relationships, these are
things we don't want to stop doing.
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:We don't want to stop taking
ourselves out on dates.
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:We don't want to stop having our
time with our friends and then our
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:time with our partners, our person.
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:which I think that's really important.
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:Because I, I know I've seen a lot of
girlfriends and, and, particularly
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:in college, get so absorbed
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:Christine: Yeah
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:Alexandra: person they were seeing
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:Christine: right
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:Alexandra: became.
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:Christine: Exactly they
lose themselves they
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:become
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:in some cases their self worth becomes
wrapped up in this person that they are
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:in a relationship with My heart goes out
to people who find themselves in that
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:situation, and my one, sort of PSA is
that it's okay if you find yourself in
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:that situation, but I encourage you to
reach out to people, and try and sort of
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:work through why you're, why you found
yourself in that, in that situation.
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:But yeah, the, it's truly important to
remember That you are your own person,
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:and that you know, living in, living
in a country, a society where the rate
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:of divorce is so high, I think it's
like 50%, or maybe even higher, 50%,
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:or The importance of your relationship
with yourself, but the relationship
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:with the other people in your life.
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:You don't always have to be
constantly doing things with
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:the person you're dating.
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:and I think if the person you're dating
is jealous of this, that's a red flag.
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:Alexandra: Mm hmm.
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:Christine: Because it's important to still
have things outside of that relationship.
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:Alexandra: Yeah.
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:Christine: say this having never been in a
relationship, so I that's where I'm coming
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:from, but it's how I'm entering any future
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:Alexandra: Mm hmm.
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:And like you said, kind of avoiding
or not falling into codependency
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:relationships or when you become
aware of it, extricating yourself.
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:Because when you place The reason
for your happiness on another person.
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:It can be a bit volatile, right?
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:Like, it can be taken away at a moment's
notice, or it can be great for a while.
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:And I would say something that's
important is whether you're male or
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:female, and you're dating whomever, if
you're talking to your friends about
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:your partner, and you only tell your
friends about the bad things, your friends
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:are already primed not to like them.
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:So when you're like, Oh, don't just
be happy for me and all this stuff,
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:they're gonna be like, No, because
I've heard All of the shit that
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:you just complained about and how
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:terrible they are.
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:I'm not really rooting for you.
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:So, you know, that's important
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:Christine: yeah,
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:Alexandra: to share the good
times with your friends.
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:Like, oh my gosh, yes, my partner,
he was, he or she was so sweet.
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:They, you know, came to
work and surprised me.
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:Brought me, you know,
lunch and just, it was.
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:A random Tuesday, and we love spending
time together, and it's okay to, you
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:know, chat with your friends, saying,
This thing's really annoying to me, I
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:feel like I have to have a conversation
It's like the balance, but yeah, I
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:remember hearing my mom talk about her
stepsister, and How everyone in the
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:family just didn't like the person she
was seeing, because every time, you
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:know, They broke up, they're like, yay!
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:And then he came back
around, and they're like, oh.
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:And the, and her stepsister was
like, why does no one like him?
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:Because we've seen all the
terrible, the mess he leaves
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:beside every time he leaves,
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:Christine: Right,
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:yeah,
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:Alexandra: yeah, not making somebody
else the center your happiness.
426
:Christine: exactly, yeah, and
that's, that takes time to learn, and
427
:it's certainly easier said than done,
I think because I've definitely found
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:myself in situations that I sort of look
at and I'm like, how did I end up here?
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:But that's, that's how it can
happen, it can just sneak up on
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:you you don't even realize it.
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:But, having those strong relationships,
friendships outside of that situation
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:you might find yourself in, truly have
saved me and have helped me navigate
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:out of not great moments of my life
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:Alexandra: Yeah, and I think I value
the friends who, like Christine after
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:my ex had yeah he had dumped me.
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:I'm just going to say it.
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:I was also, this was during
college and I was studying abroad.
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:No.
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:We had just finished
440
:undergraduate, and
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:we were going, I was going out to Canada.
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:The reason the abroad comes up
because this was the second time I
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:was dubbed while outside of the U.
444
:S.
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:Christine: Oh my god.
446
:I didn't know that.
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:Alexandra: Yeah, so, the guy I was dating
our first year on the dance team, I
448
:was over the summer break and I was in
France on a class study abroad and he had
449
:just called and dumped me on the phone.
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:And I was like, ah, cool.
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:This sucks.
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:Christine: But you're
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:in France, so
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:Alexandra: hey, that
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:night was interesting.
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:Had a friend on the trip and
she was like, get in the shower.
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:You can cry.
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:This is, you have an hour.
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:I'm, that's all you're getting.
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:And then we're going out.
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:Christine: I like her already.
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:Alexandra: so, plastered that night,
like, and if anyone has listened to
463
:us or will listen to us for a while,
they know I don't really drink a
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:whole lot, but definitely that was
Making out with a French man by the
465
:end of the evening, it was good.
466
:Then I came home and dealt with it
all, but the second time when I was
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:going to Canada and I came home home
being New Jersey at the time for
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:me, I remember how much you were
there to support me, Christine.
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:You're like, I love you.
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:I'm so sorry you're going through this.
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:And I think there was a time
she's like, I'm going to have
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:a real conversation with you.
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:And I don't think that
person was good for you.
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:And so I think those friendships are so
valuable that they've heard the good,
475
:they've heard the bad, and they can go
feel all the feels, have all the emotions.
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:I'm here for you.
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:I'm there.
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:And then we're going to sit down
and have a conversation about
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:what you've just been through.
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:Christine: Right.
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:It was my first.
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:Time being able to be there for somebody
coming out of something like that.
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:So, I'm glad that I was able to be there
for you and help you and that I did help.
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:Alexandra: Well, I think that's a
great flow into the next thing that
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:I'm, we'd come across on social media.
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:So
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:Christine: yeah, this
is something you found
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:Alexandra: yeah.
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:And it was, it was kind of great.
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:It was totally random.
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:I don't think I'd ever seen
this person before on my feed.
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:So I was like, okay, cool.
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:And so this section is called
lessons in dating and it comes
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:from Benjamin Daly's post, and we
will link his Instagram account so
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:you can check it out for yourself.
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:And the video is titled, 20 Things I
Wish I Knew While Dating in My 20s.
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:So, gonna run through them for
everyone, and then Christina, why don't
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:you pull out some of the ones that
you thought were most interesting.
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:Christine: Yeah.
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:Alexandra: Okay.
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:So it starts, if they ignore
you just quietly move on.
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:You don't need to send
them any long messages.
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:Just take your dignity and go.
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:How you meet is irrelevant,
so stop romanticizing it.
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:The important thing is that you meet
your person, not how you meet them.
506
:Never let a handful of good qualities make
you think everything about them is great.
507
:The truth is you don't have the
full picture yet, so don't assume.
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:If you are not clear on the type of person
you want to attract, you will waste a
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:lot of time dating unsuitable people.
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:The right person doesn't put you in the
position of not knowing where you stand.
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:They give you clarity, not confusion.
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:Date people who share
similar values to you.
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:Because relationships that are aligned
are so much easier, misalignment in
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:values will cause a lot of conflict.
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:To meet your person,
you have to be visible.
516
:After all, If you can't be
seen, you can't be found.
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:Presentation is really important because
it's the first step to attraction.
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:And when you look good, you feel
good, and you attract better.
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:health is more important
than any relationship.
520
:If you have to sacrifice your
mental well being for your partner,
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:you'll lose yourself in the process.
522
:How someone treats you is
how they feel about you.
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:If they act like they don't
care, they don't care.
524
:Love will always be draining if
you date people you have to raise.
525
:If they can't take care of themselves,
you'll basically be their parent.
526
:If someone can steal your partner,
they're doing you a massive favor because
527
:the right person cannot be stolen.
528
:You're single until it's
exclusive, so never take yourself
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:off the market prematurely.
530
:If you wouldn't be friends with the
person you're dating, the relationship
531
:is probably built on physical attraction
or infatuation and probably won't last.
532
:You actually don't miss them.
533
:You miss what you wanted them to be.
534
:Rejection is inevitable, not everyone
is going to be right for you, and you're
535
:not going to be right for everyone else.
536
:It's a part of life, accept it.
537
:Don't believe in promises.
538
:Only someone's actions will
reveal their intentions.
539
:Also, don't believe in potential.
540
:Potential is worthless
without action to back it up.
541
:So look at where they are
and what they're doing now.
542
:And finally, there's
someone out there for you.
543
:The only way you won't
find them is if you quit.
544
:Christine: What a list, right?
545
:Alexandra: yeah.
546
:Christine: I think he
did such a great job.
547
:He hit, I don't think he missed anything.
548
:He hit
549
:every point that's truly
important to think about when
550
:approaching Relationships.
551
:I think for me the ones that really
hit the hardest, coming out strong,
552
:number one, if they ignore you, if
they ignore you, just quietly move on.
553
:You don't need to send
them any long messages.
554
:Take, just take your dignity and go.
555
:I think like the instinct is to try
and explain yourself or try and get
556
:them to explain themselves to you
557
:when, you
558
:know, at the end of the day.
559
:There might not be an explanation.
560
:It could just be like, Oh, you know,
I just don't view you that way.
561
:And yeah, it hurts.
562
:It sucks.
563
:But I think, you know, that's when you
can turn to your girlfriends or your
564
:family or the people in your life that
you can lean on to help you through it.
565
:Alexandra: I will say that definitely
if they ignore you, but you know,
566
:if you started somewhat seeing
somebody consistently or a few
567
:times, and you're just no longer
interested, this is one time when
568
:I say, please don't ghost people,
just say, I know it's uncomfortable.
569
:It's hard to be rejected as
later in the list, he says,
570
:rejection is a part of life.
571
:I almost, for me, like, as much as it
would hurt, I'd almost prefer to say
572
:someone like, Hey, I've enjoyed our dates.
573
:I'm just not interested.
574
:Christine: Mm hmm.
575
:Alexandra: Versus like, ghosting?
576
:Christine: Yeah, ghosting,
it's, it's not nice.
577
:Like, just disappearing from
somebody's life, especially, because
578
:there's some people who have ghosted,
like, months into a relationship.
579
:I feel like ghosting after
a few dates, yeah, it sucks.
580
:But, I don't know, for me, my
hope in, The approach I want to
581
:bring to any situation that I'm
in is, is honesty and just being
582
:upfront.
583
:I'm not saying this
because I want to hurt you.
584
:It most, it might do that.
585
:But it's not my intention.
586
:I just want to be upfront and honest.
587
:Because I think what hurts more
is when they just disappear.
588
:even if you've only gone
on two or three dates.
589
:Not that you necessarily owe them an
explanation, but being truthful also
590
:speaks to your character and how you,
591
:you not only treat romantic relationships
and dating, but your other relationships
592
:and how you, the integrity you
have and I think That gets lost.
593
:And, of course, it's the easy thing to do,
594
:but, I feel like it's important to
foster that in, not only ourselves,
595
:but in, future generations.
596
:Alexandra: of goes into, like, how someone
treats you is how they feel about you.
597
:If they act like they don't
care, they don't care.
598
:And you don't actually miss them,
you miss what you wanted them to be.
599
:And I think there's a whole lot of, like,
600
:Christine: that one
601
:Alexandra: people conflate other
people's actions or intentions
602
:and say, oh, he or she is great,
they've got so much potential.
603
:Yeah, but like the one of the
last ones said, like, potential.
604
:It's worthless without action.
605
:That's what kind of happened
with my last relationship.
606
:Yeah, we had talked about marriage,
but this man who was a boy at the time,
607
:you know, or behaved like one,
didn't really know what he wanted
608
:and was so easily influenced
by the people around him.
609
:And so while there might have been a lot
of potential in him, that's worthless.
610
:And I know that Christine
and I have talked about how.
611
:Motivated and ambitious person I am
and I will tell that funny date story
612
:that I referenced earlier So one of
the dates I have this past fall I was
613
:pushing myself outside of my comfort
zone just like hey go on some dates.
614
:It does not have to be the one I'm
just putting myself out there getting
615
:comfortable where I also learned like
yeah date people who are more aligned with
616
:you because this man's greatest ambition.
617
:You ready for it, Christine?
618
:Christine: I'm ready.
619
:Oh god.
620
:Alexandra: greatest ambition
was to not be a bum.
621
:Christine: Wow.
622
:Some low standards.
623
:Alexandra: I mean, generally, baseball.
624
:Like, I mean, yeah.
625
:And so when I try to ask him
questions about like, oh, what
626
:is he interested pursuing?
627
:He's gonna go back to school.
628
:Like, tell me more about this.
629
:He was like I don't know, like,
maybe this, because it's kind of
630
:important, and I was like, mm hmm.
631
:So, great base ambition, however,
it's not ambition or work
632
:towards something particular.
633
:And so I would even ask, I was like,
oh, what are you passionate about?
634
:What are your hobbies?
635
:And he's like, I like
when people have passions.
636
:I just don't know that I have any.
637
:And I was like, or something like that.
638
:And I was like,
639
:oh.
640
:Christine: dear god.
641
:So, another man who
doesn't know what he wants.
642
:Alexandra: Oh, and it got a little worse.
643
:This was after
644
:going up to the bar and ordering our
drinks and bartender is putting it on
645
:one tab and he's like, okay, together.
646
:And I think you can kind of read that
was an awkward first date interaction.
647
:Christine: Yeah.
648
:Alexandra: then the guy
jumped in very quickly.
649
:No, separately.
650
:Because I was like, at that point,
he wasn't putting out his card or
651
:anything, and I was like, Fuck it.
652
:I'll pay for it.
653
:I don't care.
654
:Like,
655
:Christine: Yeah.
656
:We're empowered women.
657
:we
658
:Alexandra: Yes, I do think if somebody The
person who has asked you out on the date,
659
:I kind of lean towards maybe
that person should indicate
660
:paying, or if a man is taking a
woman out for a date, or however,
661
:Christine: Mm-Hmm?
662
:Alexandra: A woman should definitely offer
and have the ability to back that up.
663
:I just think a man should
pay you on the first date.
664
:Sometimes.
665
:But this time I was like,
I really don't care.
666
:I'm not all that bothered by it.
667
:I can cover for each
of Our, 6 ciders, guys.
668
:That was an expensive date.
669
:think the bartender knew
how bad it was gonna go.
670
:Anyways, so, it's like pulling teeth
to get any information out of this man.
671
:I mean, he was asking questions
about me, which was very nice,
672
:but I was genuinely curious
in getting to know him, right?
673
:Because you're Trying to see if
this is somebody I would go out with
674
:again, or whether it's for a long
term, or just to go on another date.
675
:And then he ended it, 7.
676
:30.
677
:Granted it 30.
678
:And he was like, I have to go home.
679
:My dad doesn't like it when I'm late.
680
:Now, nothing wrong with
living with your parents.
681
:I
682
:Christine: No.
683
:Alexandra: with my mother.
684
:But this man is Older than I am
685
:Christine: My dad doesn't
like it when I'm late.
686
:Ooh.
687
:Alexandra: and I was like and I'm done.
688
:Thank you.
689
:See you never again
690
:Christine: and goodbye
691
:Alexandra: So I was
692
:like this is where values and goals
and ambition out of alignment.
693
:So I
694
:was like Confirmation that I need to
search for more ambitious people or
695
:ambition towards something in particular
with actual actions to back it up
696
:Christine: Yeah.
697
:Wow.
698
:Alexandra: funny date story from recently
699
:Christine: That, that was pretty funny.
700
:And, and you know, I think having humor
is so like being able to, to laugh at
701
:when things go awry is so important
702
:because it's so easy to become brought
down and frustrated and, you know,
703
:feel negative towards when situations
don't go the way you were hoping.
704
:But.
705
:Being able to laugh at yourself and at the
situation is so important and I kind of
706
:like low key was rooting for the bartender
to be like, let me buy you a drink.
707
:That
708
:Alexandra: Me too!
709
:Oh, that would have been nice.
710
:I was like, honestly, I was having
better conversations with the bartender
711
:ordering my drink that
I was with this man.
712
:Christine: Yeah, I would have been
713
:like, okay, bye.
714
:So, would you like to
share a drink with me?
715
:We seem to have more
chemistry than and him.
716
:Anyway.
717
:Alexandra: I think the other quote
that I definitely wanted to hit on was
718
:if somebody can steal your partner,
they're doing you a massive favor because
719
:the right person cannot be stolen.
720
:And I would love to comment on this
because I've known quite a few people
721
:who are very worried about their partner
cheating and I don't want to sound
722
:naive or like my head in the sand, but
it's not something I ever worry about
723
:because like you, Christine, I said,
I'm very upfront in relationships.
724
:If it's going somewhere and we're
like, okay, we're exclusive,
725
:we're dating, I'm only seeing you.
726
:I have a conversation of
like, I do not want to be with
727
:somebody who's cheating on me.
728
:Never will, don't have a plan to be.
729
:If you're interested in somebody else
and it's like, you want to act on that,
730
:I would rather that person come to me
and say, I'm having these feelings,
731
:I'm interested in somebody else.
732
:I'd rather end before you cheat on me.
733
:I will respect somebody
so much more for that.
734
:Even if it sucks and it
hurts, then Being cheated on.
735
:So it's just, it's not
really something I worry.
736
:I have a conversation up front, and
737
:I hold people to that standard.
738
:For some, they may be very worried
about them, and that makes me
739
:interested, because we were talking
about dating ourselves earlier, and
740
:it's like, What is at the root of that?
741
:Is it because you've been cheated
on before, or are you the person
742
:who's cheated on somebody else?
743
:So I feel like that's a
very interesting place to
744
:examine emotions and thoughts.
745
:Christine: Yeah, I think it's also
important to talk with your partner, but
746
:also to, like, figure out for yourself
what certain things you believe are
747
:cheating, because it's different for
748
:everybody.
749
:It's also important to have that
conversation with who you're with and
750
:hear what they, what their thoughts are
and what your thoughts are, and sort
751
:of come to an agreement between the
two of you, like, okay, we're in this
752
:relationship together, it's a partnership
and also I think realizing that you
753
:don't have to be a cheater, like, you're
not just a cheater if you physically,
754
:,
cheat with somebody.
755
:There's emotional adultery, like, there's
so many different things to it, hiding Who
756
:you're with, or your text messages, like,
I don't think you should give your partner
757
:full There's a level of trust that should
be at the center of your relationship.
758
:And if the trust is broken, then that's
something you need to work , if you
759
:want to work on together you should,
760
:Alexandra: right.
761
:And I was just looking back at her
notes and I realized I had missed
762
:one of his bullet points from his
Benjamin Daly is real, on the whole,
763
:if somebody can steal your partner
My apologies for missing that one.
764
:But it said, building on this, if
you don't you don't have to have
765
:sex with someone to be a cheater.
766
:So like, Christine said,
the emotional affair.
767
:The moment that someone starts hiding
texts or lying about who they are
768
:with, the cheating has already begun.
769
:I know that may seem a bit
extreme to some people.
770
:But like, yeah, it makes sense.
771
:And I don't mean like hiding text
messages between a group of friends
772
:because you're trying to surprise
your partner with a birthday party.
773
:I'm not really talking about that.
774
:, I'm talking about
775
:Like a surprise celebration and
you don't want to ruin the secret.
776
:I'm talking, you, you know what you mean
777
:when
778
:Christine: Mm hmm.
779
:Alexandra: hiding things.
780
:Christine: And I think it's
important to know the difference
781
:between, to know what hiding is.
782
:I think it's not necessarily my place
to , read through my partner's text
783
:messages, or know what
they're doing at all times.
784
:, I trust that they, they're
an individual, they can
785
:have their privacy.
786
:That, I guess that's the difference
between privacy and hiding.
787
:Alexandra: Yeah.
788
:Christine: everybody's entitled
to privacy, yes, and it's trust.
789
:But as soon as, you know, you
can, and you can tell when
790
:somebody's hiding things from
791
:you.
792
:That's something you have to
be like, okay, what's going on?
793
:and, and and have that
uncomfortable conversation.
794
:I am a big fan of the idea of
having uncomfortable conversations.
795
:They are not easy, but
it's important to do.
796
:Especially if you're in a
long term relationship, right?
797
:that's bound to happen.
798
:You're gonna have , differing
opinions views on things.
799
:And I think the relationships That last?
800
:Face those things head on.
801
:Alexandra: Yeah, exactly.
802
:Because it's I've never been in a
situation where I've been cheated on,
803
:which I'm very grateful and thankful for,
but I feel like, yeah, the whole not,
804
:I, I don't know, you know how sometimes
you'll see or hear people our age or
805
:younger they just go through their
partner's phones, That weirds me out.
806
:Like, I don't need to.
807
:I don't want to.
808
:I trust the other person.
809
:I expect that trust in return.
810
:I also don't care.
811
:I'm not somebody who ever snoops.
812
:I don't like to.
813
:I don't want to.
814
:Here's a fun example.
815
:So like, around the holidays when
you open up presents from the
816
:Christmas tree, I almost hate
that moment of opening the gift.
817
:I love the suspense too, kind
of like imagining what you
818
:might get, like the surprise.
819
:I've never been somebody who goes
under the tree and like, shakes it.
820
:Like, what is it?
821
:What am I getting?
822
:so yeah, that's not me.
823
:So I don't do that with my partners.
824
:I think it's, to me, it's like a little
too intrusive when people are like, oh
825
:no, I just, I look through my boyfriend's
phones, DMs, all the text messages.
826
:I was like, that just
exhausts me hearing about it.
827
:going to be honest.
828
:As Christine can text.
829
:I am a terrible texter.
830
:Like
831
:Christine: Yeah.
832
:Me too.
833
:I'd rather pick up the phone.
834
:What?
835
:Well, I mean, yeah, but
so am I, so it's okay.
836
:I'd rather pick up the phone and
837
:I, and call, and call somebody.
838
:I, I heard I saw something
silly where people are doing the
839
:ins and outs for the new year
840
:and how someone was saying phone
calls are out and I'm like,
841
:I fucking love phone calls.
842
:I
843
:love FaceTime, Having to sit
there and type out everything
844
:that I'm thinking is so annoying.
845
:And then also, it's going
to get misconstrued.
846
:It's going to
847
:be
848
:misinterpreted.
849
:So I'm just a big fan
of picking up that phone
850
:Alexandra: hmm.
851
:Christine: seeing you in person.
852
:So,
853
:Alexandra: Yeah.
854
:Yeah.
855
:Christine: don't blame you for the text
thing because I'm also a bad texter.
856
:Alexandra: So, another fun fact,
I, for the handful of dates that
857
:I went on this fall, I pulled
some amazing stories out of them.
858
:Amazing might not be the right
word, but some interesting stories.
859
:So, one of very nice men, attractive,
we had some interesting stuff.
860
:I just, I wasn't opposed to a second
date with him, I just didn't see
861
:it going somewhere very long term.
862
:And I was very clear, I am very busy,
863
:Christine: hmm.
864
:Alexandra: we have talked
about, I work a full time job.
865
:Christine: Going to school.
866
:Alexandra: Going to school.
867
:doing this, working on another
business, lot going on.
868
:And that I'm kind of a shite texter,
like I just, I'm also the bad
869
:habit of like, I will type out a
response, I'll forget to hit send.
870
:Or I'll see something come
through, read it, go, I will
871
:respond to that in a minute.
872
:And then I don't.
873
:And I'm like, Hey, this
person hasn't responded.
874
:Why haven't they responded?
875
:And I'm getting, and I'm
like, Oh no, it was me.
876
:I was the asshole.
877
:I didn't respond.
878
:But anyways, so this man
was like very insistent.
879
:I was like, Hey, I'm busy.
880
:It was actually when I was coming up
to see you, Christine, I was like, he.
881
:I'm going to go out that Friday, but
I was flying up to see you that day.
882
:And I was like, I, to go to
a college friend's wedding.
883
:And I was like, I'll be back
in town, you know, afterwards.
884
:And it was just very insistent.
885
:And he was like, I thought
you were ghosting me.
886
:And I said, no.
887
:I've told you, I'm just very busy.
888
:And then he was like, okay, well,
can we, I was like, okay, yeah,
889
:how about this coming Friday?
890
:And I was, he was like,
okay, yeah, that's fine.
891
:And I'm somebody who likes plans.
892
:Christine: Mmhmm.
893
:Alexandra: you say you
want to go out Friday?
894
:What time?
895
:Where?
896
:I'll be
897
:Christine: Mmhmm.
898
:Alexandra: And then he's
like, well, I don't know what
899
:I'll want to eat on Friday.
900
:I was like,
901
:Christine: have to be a food date.
902
:Alexandra: oh, no, he,
he'd asked for dinner.
903
:Christine: Oh, okay.
904
:Alexandra: Yeah.
905
:And I was like, okay.
906
:And so I just let it go.
907
:And then I think he thought he was
ghosting me and that I would be
908
:offended and, you know, it was like,
sir, I wasn't ghosting you on purpose.
909
:I was just really busy.
910
:And also, I'm okay with it.
911
:I was okay with this, like,
sure, we'll end whatever
912
:strange communication this was.
913
:Christine: Mm.
914
:Mmhmm.
915
:Well, it speaks to really how much
it is something you have to work at.
916
:If you want to pursue a relationship
in the early stages of meeting
917
:somebody, it takes work.
918
:So, setting up the I don't know if
the ground rules are the right, is the
919
:right term, but basically sort of just
coming to an agreement, like, okay,
920
:this is where I'm at I'm really liking
this, I want to keep the momentum
921
:moving, but We might need to be a
little more creative when it comes to
922
:how we're starting off this relationship,
because if you're a really busy
923
:person, you're juggling a lot of
924
:different things.
925
:Alexandra: that's the thing.
926
:It's like, if I'm busy and I'm
making the time for somebody, I
927
:am making the time for somebody.
928
:I don't really, there's a couple moments
where my extroverted self pops up and is
929
:like, Hey, let me do plans with people.
930
:Usually friends, not necessarily dates.
931
:I'm like, Oh, why?
932
:I don't, I didn't really want to go
933
:out.
934
:but if I make time to talk
You, Christine, or other
935
:people, or go on a date.
936
:I am setting aside that time.
937
:And I do see my time as valuable.
938
:so it's, it's kind of hard when
that, that's a the other by a date.
939
:And they're like, well, I just didn't
940
:think you, you know, what I, I'm like, no,
I have literally set aside time for you.
941
:I am showing up.
942
:You
943
:know?
944
:So,
945
:Christine: Right.
946
:yeah.
947
:And, and now
948
:you know,
949
:Alexandra: I have definitely confirmed
a lot of things I am interested in
950
:and not interested in throughout these
experiences And so I think I'm just gonna
951
:look at dating as that for a while.
952
:Christine: all important.
953
:With each interaction, it's
a learning opportunity.
954
:Alexandra: so now that we've
shared much about our love lives
955
:and some of the Lessons learned
and dating from other people.
956
:I mean, seriously, go find this reel
from Benjamin Daly and give it a listen.
957
:But we would love to hear
from you guys listening.
958
:What is your current
experience with dating?
959
:Any funny stories?
960
:Any, , just heartwarming,
romantic stories?
961
:We want to hear.
962
:You know , and tell us
what your thoughts are.
963
:What are your biggest takeaways.
964
:So yeah, definitely connect with us
on social media, sharing that or in
965
:the comment section of this episode.
966
:Any last thoughts, Christine, or,
967
:notes.
968
:Christine: maybe we'll just want
to touch on a little bit how we'll
969
:look at dating going forward.
970
:I think, because it's the new
year, I'm excited, I talked about
971
:this in My goals for the year.
972
:I'm, I'm entering 2024 with excitement
and energy and I don't want to lose
973
:it and so one of my many goals because
I only listed a couple But one of my
974
:many goals does revolve around dating
and Just putting myself out there.
975
:So I think I do have to just give dating
apps a try I know that there's some I'm
976
:not at all interested in Doing again,
but there's some good ones out there.
977
:I'll give it a go.
978
:And, that'll give more more
stories for me to share
979
:here.
980
:So stay tuned, I, guess.
981
:Alexandra: as you said, going forward,
I definitely be a bit pickier and
982
:I think that's important to share.
983
:I think it's okay to be picky when
it comes to your preferences in
984
:dating somebody, your preferences
in a person or their values.
985
:I think we hear a lot, or I feel like a
lot of messaging I'd heard for a few years
986
:was like, being picky was bad, being picky
987
:was shallow.
988
:So, I'd definitely No, if your intention
989
:is to eventually find your life partner,
990
:Christine: There's a balance.
991
:Alexandra: it's important
to know what you want.
992
:and I'm not saying like, oh,
hey, this person has five of
993
:the six things I really want.
994
:I'm not saying don't give
that person a chance.
995
:I'm saying
996
:if they only have two and they're like,
997
:not the really important ones,
998
:maybe no.
999
:Christine: Mm hmm.
:
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:35,430
Yeah.
:
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:38,900
Cause it's a, I mean, with
anything, compromise is
:
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:40,550
inevitable in any relationship.
:
00:46:40,668 --> 00:46:43,954
But, if it's important
not to compromise on the
:
00:46:43,989 --> 00:46:44,439
Alexandra: Mm hmm.
:
00:46:44,984 --> 00:46:46,024
Christine: the big things to you.
:
00:46:46,444 --> 00:46:49,884
So yes, it's okay to be
picky but remembering that
:
00:46:49,884 --> 00:46:51,464
compromise is a part of life.
:
00:46:51,484 --> 00:46:53,414
Alexandra: I will be holding
Christine accountable to get in
:
00:46:53,544 --> 00:46:53,924
Christine: Yeah.
:
00:46:53,924 --> 00:46:57,024
Yeah.
:
00:46:57,279 --> 00:46:57,889
Yeah.
:
00:46:57,899 --> 00:46:59,409
she'll, you'll be my wingwoman then.
:
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:00,359
You'll have to help me.
:
00:47:02,292 --> 00:47:05,322
Alexandra: So whether you are in
a relationship or single, we hope
:
00:47:05,322 --> 00:47:07,962
that you found today's discussion,
thought provoking, and maybe
:
00:47:07,962 --> 00:47:11,851
inspired you to examine where you
are at in your relationship and or
:
00:47:11,851 --> 00:47:13,111
your relationship with yourself.
:
00:47:13,381 --> 00:47:16,881
We would love to hear any stories advice
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:
00:47:16,881 --> 00:47:20,761
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:
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